Frederic Remington Art Museum
Ogdensburg, New York
June 28, 2025
HISTORY
The city of Ogdensburg has a rich history. The territory in which it is located has been inhabited by Indigenous peoples for at least 2000 years. The earliest European settlement in the area was around 1749 and was a French mission. This settlement was near the site of the 1760 Battle of the Thousand Islands. This battle was between British and French forces. In the end, the British would win, with France handing over its land in Canada and East of the Mississippi to them. The British would consider this community a part of Lower Canada (Quebec). This would remain under British rule until the American Revolutionary War in 1796. The first settlers under the American flag would arrive that same year and would name the new village Ogdensburg, after and early landowner – Samuel Ogden.
During the War of 1812, Ogdensburg was captured by British forces. This was to end the blockades on the St. Lawrence and the harassment that was being conducted by the community. In the absence of American forces, local merchants restored trade with Canadian towns across the river.
In 1810, David Parish – a prominent individual in the shipping and lumber industry, built a large house in Ogdensburg. He would live here until 1816, in which he returned to Europe. After his departure, other Parish family members would occupy the property. Other family members included his brother, George Parish, and his nephew, George (this George Parish was the son of Richard Parish – George and David’s brother). Another well known individual to live in the house was a woman by the name of Elena Ameriga Vespucci. Known by the locals as “Parish’s Fancy”, Ameriga Vespuscci lived in the house with George Parish (the nephew). Rumors surrounding how she came to be a part of the Parish household swirled throughout the community. One of those rumors was that she was won during a poker game.
Elena Ameriga Vespucci was born in 1804. When she arrived in America, she was determined to latch on to man of wealth and importance – which she found in the son of the President, John Van Buren. It is said that her life with John Van Buren was going well when the two were stranded at a tavern near North Drum during a snowstorm. It was said that Van Buren as in possession of $5000 in gold that a client had entrusted in him in order to purchase property. With time on his hands, some alcohol and a deck of cards, he decides to play a few games of poker with a man – George Parish. George Parish promptly wins all but one of Van Buren’s gold coins. In a desperate attempt to get the gold back, Van Buren purposed one last draw- a coin flip. Heads, he gets back all the gold; Tails, George would get the girl. George Parish walked out of that tavern that evening with a bag of gold and Ameriga Vespucci – who didn’t object to this new arrangement. Whether this story is true or nothing more than folklore, what is true is that Ameriga did end up at the Parish Mansion. Here, she was nothing more than a bird in a gilded cage. The women of Ogdensburg shunned her and referred to her as an Italian Jezebel. Ameriga would live at the mansion from 1841 to 1859. At this point George Parish sent Ameriga to Paris, with a large sum of money to live out the rest of her life. Ameriga would die in Paris in 1866.
The city of Ogdensburg has a rich history. The territory in which it is located has been inhabited by Indigenous peoples for at least 2000 years. The earliest European settlement in the area was around 1749 and was a French mission. This settlement was near the site of the 1760 Battle of the Thousand Islands. This battle was between British and French forces. In the end, the British would win, with France handing over its land in Canada and East of the Mississippi to them. The British would consider this community a part of Lower Canada (Quebec). This would remain under British rule until the American Revolutionary War in 1796. The first settlers under the American flag would arrive that same year and would name the new village Ogdensburg, after and early landowner – Samuel Ogden.
During the War of 1812, Ogdensburg was captured by British forces. This was to end the blockades on the St. Lawrence and the harassment that was being conducted by the community. In the absence of American forces, local merchants restored trade with Canadian towns across the river.
In 1810, David Parish – a prominent individual in the shipping and lumber industry, built a large house in Ogdensburg. He would live here until 1816, in which he returned to Europe. After his departure, other Parish family members would occupy the property. Other family members included his brother, George Parish, and his nephew, George (this George Parish was the son of Richard Parish – George and David’s brother). Another well known individual to live in the house was a woman by the name of Elena Ameriga Vespucci. Known by the locals as “Parish’s Fancy”, Ameriga Vespuscci lived in the house with George Parish (the nephew). Rumors surrounding how she came to be a part of the Parish household swirled throughout the community. One of those rumors was that she was won during a poker game.
Elena Ameriga Vespucci was born in 1804. When she arrived in America, she was determined to latch on to man of wealth and importance – which she found in the son of the President, John Van Buren. It is said that her life with John Van Buren was going well when the two were stranded at a tavern near North Drum during a snowstorm. It was said that Van Buren as in possession of $5000 in gold that a client had entrusted in him in order to purchase property. With time on his hands, some alcohol and a deck of cards, he decides to play a few games of poker with a man – George Parish. George Parish promptly wins all but one of Van Buren’s gold coins. In a desperate attempt to get the gold back, Van Buren purposed one last draw- a coin flip. Heads, he gets back all the gold; Tails, George would get the girl. George Parish walked out of that tavern that evening with a bag of gold and Ameriga Vespucci – who didn’t object to this new arrangement. Whether this story is true or nothing more than folklore, what is true is that Ameriga did end up at the Parish Mansion. Here, she was nothing more than a bird in a gilded cage. The women of Ogdensburg shunned her and referred to her as an Italian Jezebel. Ameriga would live at the mansion from 1841 to 1859. At this point George Parish sent Ameriga to Paris, with a large sum of money to live out the rest of her life. Ameriga would die in Paris in 1866.
In 1879, Nathan P. Wooley – a civil war veteran, purchased the house. In 1889, he was appointed Chief of Police, but it was short-lived. He sold the house to George Hall in 1896. When Wooley died in 1914, it was reported that he was Ogdensburg’s oldest citizen.
George Hall was a philanthropist and a close friend to Frederic Remington. He had a keen interest in the civic affairs of Ogdensburg, serving as Mayor for three terms and was on a variety of charity boards. George, with John C. Howard would gift the house to Eva Caten Remington in 1915. Eva was the widow of Frederic Remington. George Hall died in 1918 of pneumonia.
John C. Howard was also a philanthropist and close friend to Frederic Remington as well. He worked for George Hall’s coal company, making his way through the ranks, eventually becoming President upon the death of Hall. He was also a driving force in setting up a bridge to Canada for the region. In a tragic turn of events, he was crushed to death by a railroad boxcar near his winter home in Florida in 1940.
Frederic Remington was born in 1861. Right from the beginning, he showed interest in artistic expression. He would get accepted at Yale School of Fine Arts. In the summer of 1879 he would return home, where he met Eva Caten. Immediately he knew that she was the “one” and would call her every day. Remington would return to Yale that Fall, but would keep in touch in Eva. During this time, he would write to Eva Caten’s father. In this letter he asked for permission to marry Eva. He received a letter back with the words ‘No’. Although there were many reasons to the disapprove the marriage, it was thought that Remington, who was 18 at the time, was too young to marry. Upon the death of his father and receiving his inheritance, Remington took off immediately to Kansas, where he ended up a sheep farmer. His mother and Eva were not interested in his misadventures and did not support him in this decision. In 1884, he would propose to Eva once again and this time she accepted. He then dissolved his sheep farm, but managed to purchase a saloon in Kansas City. After their marriage, Eva found out about the Saloon and left Frederic and moved back East. In 1885, he left Kansas City, wandered the desert for several months, and then returned home to reclaim his marriage. This would be the start of his full-time art career – illustrating for Harper’s Weekly and Outing, a number of articles on the west written by Theodore Roosevelt. He would publish a book, a number of magazine pieces, paint many pieces and sculpt many bronze sculptures. As he began to age, he began to fear it. He was not a healthy man – his obesity and drinking were causing him stress. In 1909, as the age of 48, he died from complications after an appendectomy.
His death would leave Eva a widow. With no children and no idea about their finances, she was left with the task of turning Frederic’s estate into a source of income to sustain her lifestyle. She began to manage copyrights and productions of sculptures, and began to work on establishing a permanent memorial for her husband. In 1915, Eva would move into the mansion that George Hall gave to her after the death of her husband. Her sister, Emma, would live with her there as well. Emma was also childless, having never married. Emma lived much of the time with Frederic and Eva and when she wasn’t living with them, she would frequently visit. Both women would live in the house until Eva’s death in 1918. After her death, her husband’s name seemed to disappear from the public mind for many years. This was mostly caused by the way her executors handled her estate and the remaining art. In her will, she had bequeathed her estate to the Ogdensburg Public Library. These unsold sketches, paintings and sculptures were stored in an unsecured area of the library, where a fire would eventually break out. Most of the artwork was salvaged and transferred to what would become the Frederic Remington Art Museum. The museum would open its doors to on July 19, 1923 as the Remington Art Memorial.
Today, visitors can walk through the halls of the old mansion, viewing Remington’s artistic works, family possessions and personal content, as well as local artwork. Recreations and replicas of Remington’s work are also available to purchase for those who find his pieces fascinating.
For more information or to plan your visit, check out their website: https://www.fredericremington.org/
George Hall was a philanthropist and a close friend to Frederic Remington. He had a keen interest in the civic affairs of Ogdensburg, serving as Mayor for three terms and was on a variety of charity boards. George, with John C. Howard would gift the house to Eva Caten Remington in 1915. Eva was the widow of Frederic Remington. George Hall died in 1918 of pneumonia.
John C. Howard was also a philanthropist and close friend to Frederic Remington as well. He worked for George Hall’s coal company, making his way through the ranks, eventually becoming President upon the death of Hall. He was also a driving force in setting up a bridge to Canada for the region. In a tragic turn of events, he was crushed to death by a railroad boxcar near his winter home in Florida in 1940.
Frederic Remington was born in 1861. Right from the beginning, he showed interest in artistic expression. He would get accepted at Yale School of Fine Arts. In the summer of 1879 he would return home, where he met Eva Caten. Immediately he knew that she was the “one” and would call her every day. Remington would return to Yale that Fall, but would keep in touch in Eva. During this time, he would write to Eva Caten’s father. In this letter he asked for permission to marry Eva. He received a letter back with the words ‘No’. Although there were many reasons to the disapprove the marriage, it was thought that Remington, who was 18 at the time, was too young to marry. Upon the death of his father and receiving his inheritance, Remington took off immediately to Kansas, where he ended up a sheep farmer. His mother and Eva were not interested in his misadventures and did not support him in this decision. In 1884, he would propose to Eva once again and this time she accepted. He then dissolved his sheep farm, but managed to purchase a saloon in Kansas City. After their marriage, Eva found out about the Saloon and left Frederic and moved back East. In 1885, he left Kansas City, wandered the desert for several months, and then returned home to reclaim his marriage. This would be the start of his full-time art career – illustrating for Harper’s Weekly and Outing, a number of articles on the west written by Theodore Roosevelt. He would publish a book, a number of magazine pieces, paint many pieces and sculpt many bronze sculptures. As he began to age, he began to fear it. He was not a healthy man – his obesity and drinking were causing him stress. In 1909, as the age of 48, he died from complications after an appendectomy.
His death would leave Eva a widow. With no children and no idea about their finances, she was left with the task of turning Frederic’s estate into a source of income to sustain her lifestyle. She began to manage copyrights and productions of sculptures, and began to work on establishing a permanent memorial for her husband. In 1915, Eva would move into the mansion that George Hall gave to her after the death of her husband. Her sister, Emma, would live with her there as well. Emma was also childless, having never married. Emma lived much of the time with Frederic and Eva and when she wasn’t living with them, she would frequently visit. Both women would live in the house until Eva’s death in 1918. After her death, her husband’s name seemed to disappear from the public mind for many years. This was mostly caused by the way her executors handled her estate and the remaining art. In her will, she had bequeathed her estate to the Ogdensburg Public Library. These unsold sketches, paintings and sculptures were stored in an unsecured area of the library, where a fire would eventually break out. Most of the artwork was salvaged and transferred to what would become the Frederic Remington Art Museum. The museum would open its doors to on July 19, 1923 as the Remington Art Memorial.
Today, visitors can walk through the halls of the old mansion, viewing Remington’s artistic works, family possessions and personal content, as well as local artwork. Recreations and replicas of Remington’s work are also available to purchase for those who find his pieces fascinating.
For more information or to plan your visit, check out their website: https://www.fredericremington.org/
Rachel's Experience
Initial Thoughts: When I first laid eyes on the building that houses the Frederic Remington Art Museum, it felt like love at first sight. The huge building that loomed before me seemed to yell out that it had stories it wanted to share. Being the Lead Researcher, I already knew some of the stories, which was just as intriguing. My main goal of the investigation was to validate the stories through spirit communication, and document who was still present in the building.
Entering the building through the main doors, I was taken aback by how gorgeous the inside was. Wood from floor to ceiling, a grand central staircase. It was just beautiful. You could feel the proudness that came from ownership. However, there was also the feeling of anticipation in the air, as if the spirits and the energies had been waiting for us to arrive.
Touring the art gallery was a treat in itself. Frederic Remington was a talented man and depicted many scenes in his painting and sculptures that will resonate with individuals. His art emits emotion, which you can feel as you look at each piece of artwork.
Being told that we not only had the art museum to investigate, but two other locations on the property was quite a shock! I had only researched the main building, as I had no idea about the others. The second building was home to offices and event spaces. It was an old house that was apparently moved to the property and then attached to the Museum. The third building was a separate, neighbouring house. This house was the Eva Caten Remington Education Centre. It had a classroom, as well as an interactive children’s area. The upper two floors were remotely empty – except for one bedroom that was used for staff or artist to spend the night in if necessary. I also didn’t have information for this house. This third location gave us vibes that there was something there that wasn’t sure of what we were doing. It also reminded us a couple other locations that we had previously investigated.
Investigation Thoughts:
Frederic Remington Art Museum – Quite the communication on the third floor, front room. Someone was very keen on interacting with the REM box and would activate it when asked. I didn’t feel much of anything up there, but it did feel warm and welcoming. I would say mischievous and playful at times. On the second floor, we went into what as said to be Eva Caten’s bedroom. In here, our host Julie, wanted to attempt a communication session with Eva. Julie and Eva had a commonality and Julie wanted to directly attempt to communicate with her. This communication session was very interesting. We had some clear and concise ghost box responses. The REM box did activate, but had to be physically turned off as it would not stop. This may have been caused by a malfunction battery (batteries were changed prior to the investigation). At the end of the night, Jay and I attempted a dual Estes method on the main staircase. Again, the communication seemed to be all over the place, with some intelligent responses. I remember at one point, I heard the beginning the “Ghostbusters” by Ray Parker Jr. and it made me laugh.
Events and Office Spaces – This particular house seemed to be shrouded in mystery, at least for me. Not knowing the history, it was hard for me to figure out how to proceed with communication. Kaz, Cathy and myself headed to the second floor and attempted an Estes Method in a front room office. The space was very open and welcoming. The estes method was all over the place. I don’t think there was definitive answer as to who or what was there. At one point, I did feel as if someone ran their finger down the right side of my body. Liz, who was with Ryan and Jay in the Museum building, also indicated at one point during her Estes method session, that she also felt what she thought was a hand touching her down the right side of her torso.
Eva Caten Remington Education Centre – This location reminded me of two other locations we had previously investigated that gave off weird vibes. The first floor and basement were completely fine. The second and third floor is where thing began to feel very weird. The higher up we went, the more you felt as if you were encroaching on someone or something that didn’t want to be found. During our initial walk through, Cathy, Julie’s sister and I heard like a white noise type static that came from the first floor. It sounded like it had come from a speaker, but no speakers were on. I had originally thought that my audio recorder had stopped and was playing back recorded audio, but it was still actively recording. The third floor, we attempted a dual Estes with Kaz and Julie. Communication seemed to be all over the place. The REM box did activate in the living room area, while everyone was in the side room. This happened a few times, and we couldn’t figure out if it was natural or paranormal.
After Thoughts: The Frederic Remington Art Museum is definitely haunted. I one hundred percent believe that Eva Caten Remington is still minding her husband’s artwork – Proud of his accomplishments and proud of the man he was. I was kind of disappointed that we were not able to communicate with Amergia Vespucci, as I was quite curious about how she came to live at the location – if the rumoured story about her was true or not. I am also unsure if any of the Parish family members are still present, and if they are they are fleeting. I also don’t know who the children are that have been heard running around and playing on the third floor.
For the Events and Office Building, there is definitely an energy still present, but who is another story. I will have to see what kind of research I can do on the home. It may be possible that the children are connected to this location.
The Eva Caten Remington Education Centre has me really confused, yet intrigued. With not knowing a lick of information about the building, I had no idea what I was walking into. And it proved that it didn’t know how to react to what we were doing. There is definitely something that resides on the third floor. Whatever it is, it doesn’t come down past the second level.
All in all, each of the building have their own spectral residents. I am excited to do more research into the other two buildings and returning for another night of investigating. There are definitely more stories to uncover and hear!
Entering the building through the main doors, I was taken aback by how gorgeous the inside was. Wood from floor to ceiling, a grand central staircase. It was just beautiful. You could feel the proudness that came from ownership. However, there was also the feeling of anticipation in the air, as if the spirits and the energies had been waiting for us to arrive.
Touring the art gallery was a treat in itself. Frederic Remington was a talented man and depicted many scenes in his painting and sculptures that will resonate with individuals. His art emits emotion, which you can feel as you look at each piece of artwork.
Being told that we not only had the art museum to investigate, but two other locations on the property was quite a shock! I had only researched the main building, as I had no idea about the others. The second building was home to offices and event spaces. It was an old house that was apparently moved to the property and then attached to the Museum. The third building was a separate, neighbouring house. This house was the Eva Caten Remington Education Centre. It had a classroom, as well as an interactive children’s area. The upper two floors were remotely empty – except for one bedroom that was used for staff or artist to spend the night in if necessary. I also didn’t have information for this house. This third location gave us vibes that there was something there that wasn’t sure of what we were doing. It also reminded us a couple other locations that we had previously investigated.
Investigation Thoughts:
Frederic Remington Art Museum – Quite the communication on the third floor, front room. Someone was very keen on interacting with the REM box and would activate it when asked. I didn’t feel much of anything up there, but it did feel warm and welcoming. I would say mischievous and playful at times. On the second floor, we went into what as said to be Eva Caten’s bedroom. In here, our host Julie, wanted to attempt a communication session with Eva. Julie and Eva had a commonality and Julie wanted to directly attempt to communicate with her. This communication session was very interesting. We had some clear and concise ghost box responses. The REM box did activate, but had to be physically turned off as it would not stop. This may have been caused by a malfunction battery (batteries were changed prior to the investigation). At the end of the night, Jay and I attempted a dual Estes method on the main staircase. Again, the communication seemed to be all over the place, with some intelligent responses. I remember at one point, I heard the beginning the “Ghostbusters” by Ray Parker Jr. and it made me laugh.
Events and Office Spaces – This particular house seemed to be shrouded in mystery, at least for me. Not knowing the history, it was hard for me to figure out how to proceed with communication. Kaz, Cathy and myself headed to the second floor and attempted an Estes Method in a front room office. The space was very open and welcoming. The estes method was all over the place. I don’t think there was definitive answer as to who or what was there. At one point, I did feel as if someone ran their finger down the right side of my body. Liz, who was with Ryan and Jay in the Museum building, also indicated at one point during her Estes method session, that she also felt what she thought was a hand touching her down the right side of her torso.
Eva Caten Remington Education Centre – This location reminded me of two other locations we had previously investigated that gave off weird vibes. The first floor and basement were completely fine. The second and third floor is where thing began to feel very weird. The higher up we went, the more you felt as if you were encroaching on someone or something that didn’t want to be found. During our initial walk through, Cathy, Julie’s sister and I heard like a white noise type static that came from the first floor. It sounded like it had come from a speaker, but no speakers were on. I had originally thought that my audio recorder had stopped and was playing back recorded audio, but it was still actively recording. The third floor, we attempted a dual Estes with Kaz and Julie. Communication seemed to be all over the place. The REM box did activate in the living room area, while everyone was in the side room. This happened a few times, and we couldn’t figure out if it was natural or paranormal.
After Thoughts: The Frederic Remington Art Museum is definitely haunted. I one hundred percent believe that Eva Caten Remington is still minding her husband’s artwork – Proud of his accomplishments and proud of the man he was. I was kind of disappointed that we were not able to communicate with Amergia Vespucci, as I was quite curious about how she came to live at the location – if the rumoured story about her was true or not. I am also unsure if any of the Parish family members are still present, and if they are they are fleeting. I also don’t know who the children are that have been heard running around and playing on the third floor.
For the Events and Office Building, there is definitely an energy still present, but who is another story. I will have to see what kind of research I can do on the home. It may be possible that the children are connected to this location.
The Eva Caten Remington Education Centre has me really confused, yet intrigued. With not knowing a lick of information about the building, I had no idea what I was walking into. And it proved that it didn’t know how to react to what we were doing. There is definitely something that resides on the third floor. Whatever it is, it doesn’t come down past the second level.
All in all, each of the building have their own spectral residents. I am excited to do more research into the other two buildings and returning for another night of investigating. There are definitely more stories to uncover and hear!
Kaz's Experience
“Is that seriously the bridge I have to drive over?” I ask, instantly regretting to offer to drive to Ogdensburg, NY that fateful Saturday.
“Sure is!” Replied Rachel. “Good luck!”
A hush fell over the car as I drove myself, Cathy, Rachel, and Jay over the narrow, grated bridge connecting Canada to the United States. To say I was sweating bullets the entire ride over was an understatement. The sound alone from the tires on the weird grated road was enough to make your heart stop. But we made it and continued on the remaining 7 minutes of our 3- and 1/2-hour journey to the Frederic Remington Museum.
As we pulled up outside the historic building we were greeted by the smiling face of Julie, the Education Manager and our point of contact for the night. As we entered the building we were struck by the stunning wooden framing and massive wooden staircase in the entrance way. You could feel the history as we explored each level, from attic to basement, allowing the energies and vibes to speak to us. After we had seen the entire house, Julie said “do you guys wanna investigate the other two historic homes belonging to the museum?”
A renowned “HELL YES!” Was uttered by us all and we hastily made our way to the second building, which is now used for meetings and as offices for the museum staff. Again, we ventured from top to bottom, discussing our feelings about the space as we went.
We then made our way to the third and final building, the children’s art building. As we entered, we saw a children’s play room and a class room set up for kids to play and learn. We then went up to the second floor and were all taken aback as to how entirely different the energy was. It felt hostile, as if we had invaded a space, we had no right being in. We all felt it. We moved through the second and third level hallways on edge, as if being scorned by an invisible being reminding us that we weren’t welcome. We were uneasy and felt relief as we left.
We met Ryan and Liz who had just arrived and began to plan our evening as we now had two more buildings to investigate and only 4 hours left to get cracking.
First, we went Live in the museum. In The attic we had some great responses with the music box and rem pod. We went down a level and made contact with Eva, widow of Frederic himself, and it was a wonderful encounter with her. She responded to questions via the necro app and using the rem pod.
Rachel, Cathy and I then ventured to the second house and conducted an Estes session. This did not prove to be overly eventful and we decided to head back to home base and meet up with the others.
We all then made our way to the third, and most creepiest building. We immediately went up to the third level and started an Estes session, this time I went under. It seemed to be eventful and lasted 20 minutes. By that time everyone was feeling restless and we headed back to the second building and home base.
We decided to perform one last Estes on the main staircase, with Jay and Rachel going under simultaneously. Once again, it wasn’t overly eventful.
We then ended the evening to begin the long drive home, and once again brave the scary bridge.
Our findings:
Museum:
Second house:
Third house:
All-in-all these three buildings appear to have lingering energies. Whether they belong to the artifacts, the building, or the land, there’s clearly something there.
“Sure is!” Replied Rachel. “Good luck!”
A hush fell over the car as I drove myself, Cathy, Rachel, and Jay over the narrow, grated bridge connecting Canada to the United States. To say I was sweating bullets the entire ride over was an understatement. The sound alone from the tires on the weird grated road was enough to make your heart stop. But we made it and continued on the remaining 7 minutes of our 3- and 1/2-hour journey to the Frederic Remington Museum.
As we pulled up outside the historic building we were greeted by the smiling face of Julie, the Education Manager and our point of contact for the night. As we entered the building we were struck by the stunning wooden framing and massive wooden staircase in the entrance way. You could feel the history as we explored each level, from attic to basement, allowing the energies and vibes to speak to us. After we had seen the entire house, Julie said “do you guys wanna investigate the other two historic homes belonging to the museum?”
A renowned “HELL YES!” Was uttered by us all and we hastily made our way to the second building, which is now used for meetings and as offices for the museum staff. Again, we ventured from top to bottom, discussing our feelings about the space as we went.
We then made our way to the third and final building, the children’s art building. As we entered, we saw a children’s play room and a class room set up for kids to play and learn. We then went up to the second floor and were all taken aback as to how entirely different the energy was. It felt hostile, as if we had invaded a space, we had no right being in. We all felt it. We moved through the second and third level hallways on edge, as if being scorned by an invisible being reminding us that we weren’t welcome. We were uneasy and felt relief as we left.
We met Ryan and Liz who had just arrived and began to plan our evening as we now had two more buildings to investigate and only 4 hours left to get cracking.
First, we went Live in the museum. In The attic we had some great responses with the music box and rem pod. We went down a level and made contact with Eva, widow of Frederic himself, and it was a wonderful encounter with her. She responded to questions via the necro app and using the rem pod.
Rachel, Cathy and I then ventured to the second house and conducted an Estes session. This did not prove to be overly eventful and we decided to head back to home base and meet up with the others.
We all then made our way to the third, and most creepiest building. We immediately went up to the third level and started an Estes session, this time I went under. It seemed to be eventful and lasted 20 minutes. By that time everyone was feeling restless and we headed back to the second building and home base.
We decided to perform one last Estes on the main staircase, with Jay and Rachel going under simultaneously. Once again, it wasn’t overly eventful.
We then ended the evening to begin the long drive home, and once again brave the scary bridge.
Our findings:
Museum:
- Attic encounters with rem pod and music box.
- 2nd floor activity with “Eva” via rem pod and a heart felt moment between Eva and Julie.
- Hallway between museum and 2nd house, creepy shuffling and footsteps.
Second house:
- Upstairs middle office had a negative vibe. Attic was very unique. Drawn to middle room (what was once maybe a kitchen).
- Overall, didn’t feel much in that house.
Third house:
- Main level (kids’ level) felt fine.
- Second floor was very strange, as if someone/something was following me around telling me to leave. As if I was trespassing.
- Third floor was also very strange. Felt as if we were backing an animal into a corner and it was getting ready to lash out. We performed a double Estes and it seemed to be eventful.
All-in-all these three buildings appear to have lingering energies. Whether they belong to the artifacts, the building, or the land, there’s clearly something there.
Ryan's Experience
My impressions and observations while at the Frederic Remington Art Museum. When Elizabeth and I first arrived, the rest of the team was already there. We were introduced to Julie and Stephanie. Julie is a member of the staff for the museum and Stephanie is Julie’s sister. They led us to what I would call Building no.2. This building is located in the middle of the three buildings, and it contains much of the office space for the museum’s staff. We were led to a ground floor room, where we established our “base camp”. We utilized this room as the equipment & break room.
At this point, Jay, Elizabeth & I were escorted to the 2nd floor of building no.2. We began setting up our equipment in locations where it was believed some of the “odd activity” had previously taken place.
The 2nd floor was being utilized as active office space for the museum staff. I set up a stationary camera at the front (north end) of the 2nd floor. This camera was oriented toward the south and captured a long hallway which led to other rooms. I placed a REM pod on a table at the far, south end of this hallway, ensuring that it would be captured by the stationary camera. I remember hearing Elizabeth & Jay talk about the space feeling “confused”. They described the feeling as if a lot of activity was taking place all at once, and didn’t really feel organized or as a result of a singular source. Personally, I didn’t really have an impression one way or another of the 2nd floor.
We were then escorted to the museum. I would refer to this building as Building no.1. We made our way to the 2nd & 3rd floors. As the three of us approached the staircase from the 2nd to the 3rd floors, Elizabeth & Jay both immediately commented that they just “saw something” peeking out from the door at the bottom of the stairs. I heard them describe that they both saw something that led them to believe it could possibly be related to a child. Seconds later, as we climbed the stairs toward the 3rd floor, I heard Elizabeth’s app say “I’m only six”. It made us think that maybe what they saw was indeed related to a six year old child. A stationary camera and REM pod were set up on the 2nd floor. This camera was placed inside the doorway of a room located south of the stairs and oriented toward the north. Another REM pod was placed on a bench, directly in front of the front window, and was captured by the camera.
I set up another stationary camera and REM pod on the 3rd floor. Throughout the evening, we would return to the 3rd floor of the museum in order to conduct our investigation. This camera was also placed in a doorway near the south side of the 3rd floor. It was pointed in the direction to the north, where a REM pod was placed upon a rocking chair in the north area of this space.
When Jay, Elizabeth & I returned to the 3rd floor of the museum, we were in the company with Julie and Stephanie. We conducted a double Estes session, with both Elizabeth & Jay under Estes. During that session, there were many references to a child or children. During this session, I stood near the top of the stairs, I kept seeing shadowy movement on the 2nd floor, near the bottom of the stairs. The shadow was significant in size – person size. It appeared to move from east to west, and toward the bottom of stairs. I thought the shadowy movement was strange, so I began taking a series of still photos, focusing down the stairs, and standing in the same spot. Our “rule of thumb” is the “3 to 5” rule. I take 3 to 5 still photos, standing in the same position for each photo. I then analyze each photo and attempt to ascertain any anomalies. I happened to capture two anomalies from two of the photos taken from the top of the stairs. It’s possible what I captured is dust, or small insects, or another conventional explanation. However, the museum was in pristine condition and of the dozens of photos I captured throughout the museum, these two photos were the only two anomalous images that I couldn’t secure a conventional explanation for. I simply couldn’t debunk the images. When these images were taken at a time when other anomalous observations were being experienced, this became harder to explain away or “debunk”.
The entire team, along with all of the museum’s representatives made our way to Building no.3. This building is known as The Eva Caten Remington Education Centre. This particular building is significantly smaller than the other two buildings and at the time of our investigation, this building appeared to be under some sort of active renovation.
We all made our way to the 2nd floor, where a double Estes session was conducted by Kaz and Julie. Julie was seated in a partially covered corner of the large room we were all situated in. I focused my attention between Julie and Kaz. At one point, I was using the SLS camera, and the camera captured a figure hovering over Julie’s shoulder. Moments later, I watched Julie gesture towards her right side then comment that she could feel something around her.
While on the 2nd floor, I kept being drawn to the room where the staircase was located. I took a series of still photos from multiple angles. Upon analysis, of the several photos taken, two contained anomalous images. However, these images were debunked as it was believed the anomalous aspects were likely dust in the air. Near the end of our time on the 2nd floor, Elizabeth, Jay & I made our way to what appeared to have once been a bedroom at one time, located at the rear east area of the 2nd floor. There was a staircase leading down from this area. Both Jay & Elizabeth commented that the staircase gave them an ominous feeling. Elizabeth also commented that she didn’t like the closet. However, we abandoned any further investigation of this particular space and we left the room.
As the entire group was making our way back to the 1st floor, then ultimately out of building no.3, I found myself walking down the stairs, toward the front door. I was almost down the stairs, when I heard what I thought was a cat hissing, then I felt what I thought was Elizabeth directly behind me on the stairs, bumping into me. This caused me to fall forward, down the remaining stairs, and crash into the far (west) wall, several feet away from the bottom of the stairs. I hit the wall with so much force, that I would later find out I received more than a dozen scrapes & small lacerations to my upper right arm and right shoulder. I also injured my right foot, later learning that I sustained a fracture.
After the dust settled from my “fall”, we immediately all learned that everyone was already down stairs, except for Jay, Elizabeth and me. Jay and Elizabeth were still on the 2nd floor, and I was the only person on the stairs when the “fall” occurred. We spoke as a group, attempting to understand exactly how I “fell” off the stairs, and how I “fell” with forward momentum akin to being pushed, crashing several feet away from the stairs. I informed the group of what I heard and felt immediately before falling and nobody else reported hearing anything. One thing was for sure .... I was on the stairs alone when the event happened, and nobody was within ten feet of me when it did occur. Despite hearing what I did, and feeling a pushing sensation, we do not believe there is sufficient evidence to make a claim that this event was paranormal in nature. I do not have any evidence to support anything more than a simple and explainable slip from the stairs. An unfortunate accident is all.
We finished our investigation back in the museum, where we conducted another Estes session with the entire group present. Rachel was under for this Estes. During this session, multiple EMF devices displayed strong EMF in the area of the staircase where Rachel was seated. However, I observed a WIFI tower situated on the floor several feet from the staircase and it emitted extremely high EMF levels. Therefore, we dismissed the EMF observations in this particular area as being explainable and debunked.
A review of the stationary video footage from both building no.1 and building no.2 has revealed several instances of intermittent REM pod activations from the REM pods on the 2nd & 3rd floors of the museum. So far, we do not have an explanation for exactly why these REM pods made so many temperature & EMF activations. However, I am confident that when the REM pods were initially placed in their respective locations, an assessment of the placement locations did satisfy us that there wasn’t anything obvious in the immediate vicinity of the REM pods that could produce contaminated results. At this time, we aren’t able to debunk some of the REM pod activity.
All and all, the Frederic Remington Art Museum was an amazing experience. It is a location that calls to those who have a love for history, a love for the arts and an interest in the spooky & paranormal.
At this point, Jay, Elizabeth & I were escorted to the 2nd floor of building no.2. We began setting up our equipment in locations where it was believed some of the “odd activity” had previously taken place.
The 2nd floor was being utilized as active office space for the museum staff. I set up a stationary camera at the front (north end) of the 2nd floor. This camera was oriented toward the south and captured a long hallway which led to other rooms. I placed a REM pod on a table at the far, south end of this hallway, ensuring that it would be captured by the stationary camera. I remember hearing Elizabeth & Jay talk about the space feeling “confused”. They described the feeling as if a lot of activity was taking place all at once, and didn’t really feel organized or as a result of a singular source. Personally, I didn’t really have an impression one way or another of the 2nd floor.
We were then escorted to the museum. I would refer to this building as Building no.1. We made our way to the 2nd & 3rd floors. As the three of us approached the staircase from the 2nd to the 3rd floors, Elizabeth & Jay both immediately commented that they just “saw something” peeking out from the door at the bottom of the stairs. I heard them describe that they both saw something that led them to believe it could possibly be related to a child. Seconds later, as we climbed the stairs toward the 3rd floor, I heard Elizabeth’s app say “I’m only six”. It made us think that maybe what they saw was indeed related to a six year old child. A stationary camera and REM pod were set up on the 2nd floor. This camera was placed inside the doorway of a room located south of the stairs and oriented toward the north. Another REM pod was placed on a bench, directly in front of the front window, and was captured by the camera.
I set up another stationary camera and REM pod on the 3rd floor. Throughout the evening, we would return to the 3rd floor of the museum in order to conduct our investigation. This camera was also placed in a doorway near the south side of the 3rd floor. It was pointed in the direction to the north, where a REM pod was placed upon a rocking chair in the north area of this space.
When Jay, Elizabeth & I returned to the 3rd floor of the museum, we were in the company with Julie and Stephanie. We conducted a double Estes session, with both Elizabeth & Jay under Estes. During that session, there were many references to a child or children. During this session, I stood near the top of the stairs, I kept seeing shadowy movement on the 2nd floor, near the bottom of the stairs. The shadow was significant in size – person size. It appeared to move from east to west, and toward the bottom of stairs. I thought the shadowy movement was strange, so I began taking a series of still photos, focusing down the stairs, and standing in the same spot. Our “rule of thumb” is the “3 to 5” rule. I take 3 to 5 still photos, standing in the same position for each photo. I then analyze each photo and attempt to ascertain any anomalies. I happened to capture two anomalies from two of the photos taken from the top of the stairs. It’s possible what I captured is dust, or small insects, or another conventional explanation. However, the museum was in pristine condition and of the dozens of photos I captured throughout the museum, these two photos were the only two anomalous images that I couldn’t secure a conventional explanation for. I simply couldn’t debunk the images. When these images were taken at a time when other anomalous observations were being experienced, this became harder to explain away or “debunk”.
The entire team, along with all of the museum’s representatives made our way to Building no.3. This building is known as The Eva Caten Remington Education Centre. This particular building is significantly smaller than the other two buildings and at the time of our investigation, this building appeared to be under some sort of active renovation.
We all made our way to the 2nd floor, where a double Estes session was conducted by Kaz and Julie. Julie was seated in a partially covered corner of the large room we were all situated in. I focused my attention between Julie and Kaz. At one point, I was using the SLS camera, and the camera captured a figure hovering over Julie’s shoulder. Moments later, I watched Julie gesture towards her right side then comment that she could feel something around her.
While on the 2nd floor, I kept being drawn to the room where the staircase was located. I took a series of still photos from multiple angles. Upon analysis, of the several photos taken, two contained anomalous images. However, these images were debunked as it was believed the anomalous aspects were likely dust in the air. Near the end of our time on the 2nd floor, Elizabeth, Jay & I made our way to what appeared to have once been a bedroom at one time, located at the rear east area of the 2nd floor. There was a staircase leading down from this area. Both Jay & Elizabeth commented that the staircase gave them an ominous feeling. Elizabeth also commented that she didn’t like the closet. However, we abandoned any further investigation of this particular space and we left the room.
As the entire group was making our way back to the 1st floor, then ultimately out of building no.3, I found myself walking down the stairs, toward the front door. I was almost down the stairs, when I heard what I thought was a cat hissing, then I felt what I thought was Elizabeth directly behind me on the stairs, bumping into me. This caused me to fall forward, down the remaining stairs, and crash into the far (west) wall, several feet away from the bottom of the stairs. I hit the wall with so much force, that I would later find out I received more than a dozen scrapes & small lacerations to my upper right arm and right shoulder. I also injured my right foot, later learning that I sustained a fracture.
After the dust settled from my “fall”, we immediately all learned that everyone was already down stairs, except for Jay, Elizabeth and me. Jay and Elizabeth were still on the 2nd floor, and I was the only person on the stairs when the “fall” occurred. We spoke as a group, attempting to understand exactly how I “fell” off the stairs, and how I “fell” with forward momentum akin to being pushed, crashing several feet away from the stairs. I informed the group of what I heard and felt immediately before falling and nobody else reported hearing anything. One thing was for sure .... I was on the stairs alone when the event happened, and nobody was within ten feet of me when it did occur. Despite hearing what I did, and feeling a pushing sensation, we do not believe there is sufficient evidence to make a claim that this event was paranormal in nature. I do not have any evidence to support anything more than a simple and explainable slip from the stairs. An unfortunate accident is all.
We finished our investigation back in the museum, where we conducted another Estes session with the entire group present. Rachel was under for this Estes. During this session, multiple EMF devices displayed strong EMF in the area of the staircase where Rachel was seated. However, I observed a WIFI tower situated on the floor several feet from the staircase and it emitted extremely high EMF levels. Therefore, we dismissed the EMF observations in this particular area as being explainable and debunked.
A review of the stationary video footage from both building no.1 and building no.2 has revealed several instances of intermittent REM pod activations from the REM pods on the 2nd & 3rd floors of the museum. So far, we do not have an explanation for exactly why these REM pods made so many temperature & EMF activations. However, I am confident that when the REM pods were initially placed in their respective locations, an assessment of the placement locations did satisfy us that there wasn’t anything obvious in the immediate vicinity of the REM pods that could produce contaminated results. At this time, we aren’t able to debunk some of the REM pod activity.
All and all, the Frederic Remington Art Museum was an amazing experience. It is a location that calls to those who have a love for history, a love for the arts and an interest in the spooky & paranormal.
Liz's Experience
At the beginning of the evening, I was with Ryan and Jay. We began setting up some equipment in Building no.2, which contains staff members’ offices. We were setting up a camera on the 2nd floor, when I noticed that I began to feel a sense of confusion & sadness. Jay and I talked about this feeling and Jay also said that the space felt “confused”. Feelings seemed “mixed” while in this space. I felt very uneasy & anxious all at the same time. As soon as I left the 2nd floor, all of those feelings & emotions disappeared.
Jay and I both felt drawn to the attic. I felt like there were many children around this space, and I had intended on returning to the attic in order to investigate further and conduct an Estes session. Unfortunately, we never made it back to the attic in this building.
Other than the impressions and feelings I got from the 2nd floor & attic, I thought building no.2 was uneventful for me.
We then made our way to Building no.1. This was the largest building and it is designated as the museum portion. We went up to the 2nd & 3rd floors and set up two more cameras and REM pods. As we walked toward the stairs leading from the 2nd to the 3rd floors, I saw an apparition partially appear around a door next to the bottom of the stairs. This figure stood about the height of a small child, 4 – 8 years old. This figure appeared to be peering around the door, out toward the hallway that led to the stairs. I had the “Spirit Talker” app activated on my phone. As we began to walk up the stairs, the “Spirit Talker” said “I’m only six”.
While on the 3rd floor, both Jay and I kept seeing what looked like a misty or foggy apparition inside the washroom. This figure also appeared to be at my waist level in height. The silhouette or shape of the mist reminded me of a little girl with shoulder length hair and a dress with frills at the bottom of the dress.
We set up an Estes session on the 3rd floor, and while conducting the session, I kept feeling a poking sensation in my right ribs. The poking wasn’t hard, or hurtful. But rather, it felt like the sort of poking that a child might do in order to get one’s attention.
Overall, the museum had a very pleasant feeling. It didn’t feel negative or unwelcoming.
We then went to Building no.3. This building is known as the Eva Caten Remington Education Centre. This building appeared to be in the process of having some renovations done. The entire group went to the 2nd floor, where a dual Estes session with Kaz and Julie was done. Julie sat in a corner that was partially shrouded with hanging beads. She sat on a chair. As this Estes session unfolded, I noticed what looked like an orb move across the screens of one of the cameras, exactly where Julie was sitting. This “orb” moved from the upper left and above Julie, toward the lower right area of her. Around that time, Julie said that she could feel something around her.
I also explored the back area of the 2nd floor with Jay and Ryan. We entered what looked like it was once possibly a bedroom. While inside that room, I immediately got the feeling that we were not wanted or welcomed inside this room. The closet didn’t feel right to me, but I felt the overwhelming urge to just leave the room entirely. I’m not sure why I felt this way inside that room.
Throughout the night, many of us kept getting multiple references to children, as well as “painted necks”. We’re not sure if this “painted neck” reference is significant to the Remington Museum. I am aware that Frederic Remington was an accomplished artist, and that his home existed during the time of the War of 1812.
Overall, my impressions and experiences of the Frederic Remington Art Museum were pleasant. The buildings, for the most part felt welcoming. While there were some areas that did seem to me to have a bit of an ominous feeling to them.
The museum is an incredible location, full of history & amazing artistic exhibits. It was a beautiful set of buildings that at times, left me with more questions than answers. It is a place that I would love to investigate again.
Jay and I both felt drawn to the attic. I felt like there were many children around this space, and I had intended on returning to the attic in order to investigate further and conduct an Estes session. Unfortunately, we never made it back to the attic in this building.
Other than the impressions and feelings I got from the 2nd floor & attic, I thought building no.2 was uneventful for me.
We then made our way to Building no.1. This was the largest building and it is designated as the museum portion. We went up to the 2nd & 3rd floors and set up two more cameras and REM pods. As we walked toward the stairs leading from the 2nd to the 3rd floors, I saw an apparition partially appear around a door next to the bottom of the stairs. This figure stood about the height of a small child, 4 – 8 years old. This figure appeared to be peering around the door, out toward the hallway that led to the stairs. I had the “Spirit Talker” app activated on my phone. As we began to walk up the stairs, the “Spirit Talker” said “I’m only six”.
While on the 3rd floor, both Jay and I kept seeing what looked like a misty or foggy apparition inside the washroom. This figure also appeared to be at my waist level in height. The silhouette or shape of the mist reminded me of a little girl with shoulder length hair and a dress with frills at the bottom of the dress.
We set up an Estes session on the 3rd floor, and while conducting the session, I kept feeling a poking sensation in my right ribs. The poking wasn’t hard, or hurtful. But rather, it felt like the sort of poking that a child might do in order to get one’s attention.
Overall, the museum had a very pleasant feeling. It didn’t feel negative or unwelcoming.
We then went to Building no.3. This building is known as the Eva Caten Remington Education Centre. This building appeared to be in the process of having some renovations done. The entire group went to the 2nd floor, where a dual Estes session with Kaz and Julie was done. Julie sat in a corner that was partially shrouded with hanging beads. She sat on a chair. As this Estes session unfolded, I noticed what looked like an orb move across the screens of one of the cameras, exactly where Julie was sitting. This “orb” moved from the upper left and above Julie, toward the lower right area of her. Around that time, Julie said that she could feel something around her.
I also explored the back area of the 2nd floor with Jay and Ryan. We entered what looked like it was once possibly a bedroom. While inside that room, I immediately got the feeling that we were not wanted or welcomed inside this room. The closet didn’t feel right to me, but I felt the overwhelming urge to just leave the room entirely. I’m not sure why I felt this way inside that room.
Throughout the night, many of us kept getting multiple references to children, as well as “painted necks”. We’re not sure if this “painted neck” reference is significant to the Remington Museum. I am aware that Frederic Remington was an accomplished artist, and that his home existed during the time of the War of 1812.
Overall, my impressions and experiences of the Frederic Remington Art Museum were pleasant. The buildings, for the most part felt welcoming. While there were some areas that did seem to me to have a bit of an ominous feeling to them.
The museum is an incredible location, full of history & amazing artistic exhibits. It was a beautiful set of buildings that at times, left me with more questions than answers. It is a place that I would love to investigate again.
Cathy's Experience
Moving through the three buildings the museum 2nd floor for me I was drawn to especially the mirror. Felt a female presence very proper strong stature. When asking if Eva was present and did, she like this room. The bell went off on cue. We sat in that room for about half hour asking various questions and periodically the bell would respond.
The second house was a bit quiet. Not much really came through there.
The third building we went into. Immediately going upstairs felt very unwelcoming. Like we intruded in their space and who ever was there was not happy at all. The air was heavy with a feeling of being watch especially in the third-floor room on the left.
Went in there with Liz and Ryan. All three of us felt watched. Mainly from the closet. The emf was lighting up and there was a noise we heard from the closet as we were walking out causing us to go back in. It was just such an unwelcome feeling like how dare you be in my space.
Jay and I could feel an energy all around Kaz when she was sitting in the chair in the 1st room in the right while the Estes method was being done by Julie The emf kept lighting up on her left hand side as we spoke and asked questions.
When Kaz and I were walking through the hallway between the two buildings we could hear someone speak almost like a hello. We continued to walk and ask questions but didn’t pick up much more after that
It also felt like Ryan was pushed down the stairs based on how I saw him fall. However this cannot be confirmed.
The second house was a bit quiet. Not much really came through there.
The third building we went into. Immediately going upstairs felt very unwelcoming. Like we intruded in their space and who ever was there was not happy at all. The air was heavy with a feeling of being watch especially in the third-floor room on the left.
Went in there with Liz and Ryan. All three of us felt watched. Mainly from the closet. The emf was lighting up and there was a noise we heard from the closet as we were walking out causing us to go back in. It was just such an unwelcome feeling like how dare you be in my space.
Jay and I could feel an energy all around Kaz when she was sitting in the chair in the 1st room in the right while the Estes method was being done by Julie The emf kept lighting up on her left hand side as we spoke and asked questions.
When Kaz and I were walking through the hallway between the two buildings we could hear someone speak almost like a hello. We continued to walk and ask questions but didn’t pick up much more after that
It also felt like Ryan was pushed down the stairs based on how I saw him fall. However this cannot be confirmed.
OVILUS 5 WORDS
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WITCH PERCENT SINGLE GARDEN AGGRESSION MOP RELEASE DRESS GRACE FRESH HEAVY CLUB DAY GUY ASSAULT KNOT STAB AMELINE CABLE THANK CHIEF ELEMENTAL IRON RAPTURE PEOPLE STUFF WINDOW SIGN TERMS LITTLE ESPECIALLY DROP SET OLDER I RODGER 9 TEAM PALACE PUDDLE MAXIMUM SIXTY WELL |
SHOWN
HOLD CHEST ALONE OI ALICE MONEY ARMS NONE THOSE BEG DISTURB BLIND CRAYON BUILDING AIM STILL MORES PAGE LADY FIND LIVING RING MONUMENT BEER SISTER STUFF LINGER STATEMENT ESPECIALLY IDA SON WAGO SOUTHERN MASTER AMELINE TONE MIKE FRESH SURFACE DRESS. |
SPIRIT TALKER WORDS/PHRASES
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DANCING
I MADE THAT SOUND NO I CAN’T INFERNAL LEONARD THE CHAIR OF TORTURE IVY FOURTEEN MY LIFE WAS AMAZING TOWARDS HAUNTED COCAINE SEE MY SHADOW 1970S THEY MEAN YOU HARM ANYBODY SOUTH PATIENTS I ONCE LIVED HERE PEOPLE CAN’T HEAR ME WE’RE LISTENING SPANISH DONKEY ANCIENT SPIRIT IS THIS A RITUAL WHAT’S THAT DEVICE NANA MY THROAT HURT AT THE END PRAY DON’T BE FEARFUL I DIED IN MY SLEEP |
AGREE
SIT AND TALK I MUST GO NOW I CAN SEE YOU ALL CUT HAD A HARD LIFE I’VE BEEN HERE 300 YEARS THUMBSCREW YOU ARE WISE PAINTED EYE THE SHADOWS ARE ME YOU ARE HARMONIOUS SOMEONE’S WATCHING JOSH KILL SECRETS INFERIOR TABLE VIOLET INVESTIGATOR CAN YOU MOVE LOCATION? MY DEATH WAS PEACEFUL THERE’S MANY OF US DAMNATION CHRISTOPHER MOORE TALL ELMER ARGUE |